Tuesday, July 5th, 2005 02:04 pm
I have never seen a convention so blogged about.

One interesting bit was the LiveJournal specialty tip. (A "tip", to explain for the non-square-dancers, is a unit of square dance activity about fifteen minutes long -- the thing any other dance activity would call "a dance". In between "tips", usually, are breaks wherein people can gossip or get a snack or visit the restroom.) Here caller Andy Shore is spreading the word about it; here is a group photo; here is the sign-in list. (The photo was done at the beginning and the sign-in at the end, so some people don't show up in both.) More photos here.

It's wonderful to me how strongly I feel at home at a gay square dance convention. Sure, there are ways I'm invisible in that world, but they're not the same ways I'm invisible in the straight male computergeek world, so it's more comfortable if only because there's no spot rubbed raw by the poking of it. This feeling of at-home-ness -- of being among my people -- was magnified immensely in the LiveJournal tip. If there was anything I wanted photos of, from the whole convention, it'd be that group. I still haven't quite figured out why it felt so right. Two subcultures colliding? Perhaps. In any case, I really enjoyed being there.

[Oh, and the other specialty tip people tend to ask about? The no-clothing one? I didn't do that this year. The organizers were thoughtful enough to remind me that the "no watchers" rule simply meant everyone shucks down, not that you absolutely had to dance, so I could go. I was grateful for their thoughtfulness, but as it turned out I was simply too tired to stay awake that late. No nekkid square dancing for me this year.]
Tuesday, July 5th, 2005 09:49 pm (UTC)
I find I feel more comfortable in queer men's spaces than in any straight or queer or mixed-orientation women's spaces. And inbetween these two would be my comfort level with straight men's spaces. I'm just special that way. I think a tiny part of it is that women are often somewhat more welcome in queer men's spaces (not straight men's spaces) than men are welcome in any women's spaces, and that matters to me. Especially since the exclusion of men from women's spaces weirds me out since I identify with the men being excluded. Of course it's also because I'm genderqueer and a girlfag, duh!

Glad you had such fun with the gay men! Loved the comment you linked to about the novel use of "LJ-CUT"! ;)
Tuesday, July 5th, 2005 10:20 pm (UTC)
I find I feel more comfortable in queer men's spaces than in any straight or queer or mixed-orientation women's spaces.

I think I'm with you on that. I am most comfortable in mixed-gender bi space. Mixed-gender-but-mostly-male *gay* space (which this convention definitely was, "bi" being a complete noncategory there) is probably next, perhaps tied with mixed-gender straight space simply because I've lived there so long I know how to interact with the natives. Oddly enough I'm very aware of how strongly I don't fit in either straight or lesbian women's space.

And inbetween these two would be my comfort level with straight men's spaces.

Yeah -- for me, it'd be because I'm used to being second class because I'm a girl (it's how I've lived my whole life, given my choice of career and some of my hobbies) but I'm very much not used to being second class because I sleep with men or because I sleep with women. The first is a problem in lesbian space but I'm not there often, while the second is invisible and assumed not to exist until I have trouble relating to the people around me.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:23 am (UTC)
I have always thought that straight & bi women & gay men share a great deal of complementary energy. (And CJ knows she's always welcome in ANY space I'M in...)

Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:29 pm (UTC)
Yeah, we do seem to fit well. And thank you! Likewise! 8-)
Thursday, July 7th, 2005 04:04 am (UTC)
too True! I am at one my most comfortable levels surrounded by gay men. During HS and early college I just thought I was a fag hag. Now I know better! =)
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 01:40 am (UTC)
It was great to see you at convention, albeit just briefly. Sorry I missed your tips!
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 02:09 am (UTC)
It was good to see you too! I was amazed at how many LJers there were. I have a few square dancers on my LJ friends list, but there was a big group in that room!
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 02:21 am (UTC)
I've introduced a bunch of people to square dancing and/or livejournal, but I was still amazed (and a bit disappointed) that I had already met every single person at the LJ tip and was familiar with their journals. I was hoping to find someone new to be-friend!
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 02:42 am (UTC)
I hadn't found all those people on LJ myself, but I was amused to meet the people behind a few LJ names I had seen only in passing.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 03:34 am (UTC)
Sure, there are ways I'm invisible in that world, but they're not the same ways I'm invisible in the straight male computergeek world, so it's more comfortable if only because there's no spot rubbed raw by the poking of it.

Oooh. This is very insightful.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:52 pm (UTC)
Thanks. Sometimes, looking back on something I write, I'm surprised I knew it, if that makes sense.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 03:55 am (UTC)
"bi" being a complete noncategory there
Amen to that. We are almost completely invisible everywhere. But then again, its so easy for us to hide. Most people assume that if your SO is of the opposite sex, you're straight. I love blowing their minds. I've gotten some great jaw droppings at these events.

Maybe we should try staging a "bi" tip next year. Might be interesting to see who turns out, if anyone.

Although Joe seemed to be doing a decent job shucking his invisiblity!
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:12 am (UTC)
Apparently clothes really do make the man. Or is that attact the men...
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:25 am (UTC)
If we had a "bi" tip, does that mean we'd swap gender roles every few minutes?

Hm. This is an amusing thought.

It'd be more fun for me to do this at Advanced or higher, to make use of the "belle" and "beau" concepts, but it could be done at Mainstream or Plus using Roll Away or Half Sashay easily enough.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:35 pm (UTC)
Ooo, we could have FUN with this.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:31 pm (UTC)
It is indeed easy for us to hide. If we've got a partner beside us, we must be oriented toward that gender only, right? And I don't blame people particularly for assuming. It's an easy assumption to make. Monosexuality does seem to be the majority. Some days, though, I want a tattoo on my forehead. :-)

Maybe we should try staging a "bi" tip next year.

Yeah, I thought of this too late but would LOVE to do it!

Joe seemed to be doing a decent job shucking his invisiblity!

Ooo, gossip? gossip?
Thursday, July 7th, 2005 04:07 am (UTC)
Did you read Joe's shirt? Lets just say, he got several VERY positive responses from it.

As Allan said (or was it Will?) You must be this smart to ride this attraction.
Friday, July 8th, 2005 07:30 pm (UTC)
I did. That was a fun one.
Friday, July 8th, 2005 11:40 pm (UTC)
What was funnier was that Delores came up to Joe and asked what it meant 'cause she found the same shirt in her mother's collection while going thru her effects. Her mother was a hoot!
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 08:16 pm (UTC)
I had a T-shirt done up at one of those embroidery places at the mall, mumble years ago now, for David. It said
NOBODY KNOWS
I'M BISEXUAL
next to a big yin/yang symbol. It broke the ice, shall we say.
Thursday, July 7th, 2005 04:02 am (UTC)
Yea we were thinking about getting a couple of those done for us. Not a bad idea. Although Joe's shirt seemed to work well! Now I just need one.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 01:05 pm (UTC)
Aw, CJ - that sounds like so much fun! Makes me want to dump my children on some babysitter and start dancing again! ;-)

I was thinking, gee, wouldn't it be fun to dance with these folks? Not a single blue-haired lady among them! What fun to dance with young, energetic, enthusiastic types! And then I was like, oops, I'm a straight female. Guess it's back to the blue-hairs for me. (Don't think I've ever danced with anyone - not one single person - my age or younger. Geeshk.)
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 03:48 pm (UTC)
Oh, there are a few blue-haired ladies (of both genders) and they generally put us young'uns to shame with their energy. I'm thinking of Scottish Mae, who came by train from British Columbia. She's torn because the Canadian Nationals are in Montreal next year and the gay Convention in Anaheim, and she can't do both.

Alas, I don't think there's an IAGSDC club in Cincinnati. But you have until Fourth of July weekend 2008 to get some floor time somewhere, and then come join us in Cleveland! Seriously!
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 07:52 pm (UTC)
I would be pretty surprised if there was an IAGSDC in Cincy! Square dancing is definitely JUST for the sweet little old ladies and their tottering husbands here! OK, OK - I exaggerate. There are middle-aged couples on their way to becoming the aforementioned 'type' too. Heh.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:34 pm (UTC)
Straight females are perfectly welcome at this convention! No worries, mate! And we have our share of older folk as well -- it's just not EVERYone, that's all. I think it'd be awesome if you came to one of these. It's in Cleveland in 2008, does that help? :-) :-)
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 07:55 pm (UTC)
Really? So if hubby and I came (because of course I'd want to bring my dance partner), would we spend the whole convention explaining ourselves? LOL!

Cleveland is definitely well within driving distance. :-) You gonna be there? :-)
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 08:29 pm (UTC)
If you bring hubby and consistently partner with him, especially if you wear anything resembling matching outfits or straight square dance drag, it will be assumed that you are a straight couple here for the dancing, which is fine. Happens frequently.

If you do any of the above and wear a gay club badge, or "One in a minyan" T-shirts, or flirt heavily with the same sex, you will confuse the natives mightily. (Which is also fine, mwah hah.)

Note, however: gay sd culture is not couples-based. It assumes 8 people per square. Solo dancers are not the liability they are in straight sd culture.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 09:02 pm (UTC)
You wouldn't have to explain a thing. Plenty of straight couples show up. (A woman and man partnered together are assumed to be straight and monogamous.) You might have some explaining to do if you start to flirt with the ladies, of course. ;-)

I don't know yet about Cleveland. I have relatives in the area (Lorain), so that'd be an extra draw.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 04:18 pm (UTC)
CJ -- how odd -- I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept of you as "marginal" in gay-square-dance space, but yes of course the existence (& presence) of Rob muddies the waters... D'oh! I should know!

David and I confuse the hell out of people. Either they know we're a couple and wonder why he's on some guy's lap, or vice versa. I really don't know how I "read" to IAGSDC dancers who don't know me at all...I'm usually hanging around with the guys rather than with women. I've been talking for years about getting a T-shirt that says "My husband's boyfriend says I'm queer."

I volunteer at a women's bookstore and occasionally have to jump up & down & pitch a fit to remind them that's "women's" and not just Lesbian. The manager has an odd blind spot, being more supportive of either FTM or MTF transexuals, than of anyone born male who happens to like it that way.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC)
D'oh! I should know!

I figured you'd grok, yeah! :-) You two probably get a lot of the same assumptions I get (I say "I" only because Rob is straight). I was telling David on Monday how I switch gears when I'm in queer space, and I start ogling the women. I don't want to be perceived as leading anyone on, though, so I do my best to ogle quietly and discreetly. :-)

"My husband's boyfriend says I'm queer."

That'd work. One shirt like that for each day at the convention!

Some days I wonder if I'm too vocal about my bi-ness. This weekend I brought it up in conversation all over the place. Maybe it's time to wear a button (or not) and just give it a rest.

"women's" and not just Lesbian

Ooooooooo, hot button of mine there. I'm nodding vigorously.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 08:06 pm (UTC)
I don't want to be perceived as leading anyone on, though, so I do my best to ogle quietly and discreetly.

Oh, right, because no-one at Convention flirts or admires the scenery unless they intend to carry through on it. ???????!!

I have seen a range of buttons that rang all the changes on gender/availability: Bi/Married/Monogamous -- Het/Single/Unavailable -- Gay/Single/Available -- whatever. Unfortunately they were ugly.

Also unfortunately, I'm told (by one who would know) that Bi men at Convention are liable not to let on that they're Bi, lest it damage their street cred, as it were. Jeeze. Are we in third grade, or what? (Girl cooties!)
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 08:59 pm (UTC)
Oh, right, because no-one at Convention flirts or admires the scenery unless they intend to carry through on it.

*chuckle* Yeah. That. :-)

Unfortunately they were ugly.

I remember those and I agree with your assessment!

lest it damage their street cred

To paraphrase an advertisement, "we may have come a long way but we've a ways yet to go, baby."
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:51 pm (UTC)
did you see this comment offering to make T-shirts with complementary wording for you and David?
Thursday, July 7th, 2005 04:09 am (UTC)
My husband's boyfriend says I'm queer."

I love it! I need that shirt! Oh wait, Joe needs a boyfriend first. Hrmmmm
Friday, July 8th, 2005 07:31 pm (UTC)
Joe needs a boyfriend first

Sounds like he got enough attention at the dance to indicate that that wouldn't be difficult. :)
Friday, July 8th, 2005 11:40 pm (UTC)
Yea, but NRE takes a lot of time...something we are about to be very short on! =)
Friday, July 8th, 2005 11:43 pm (UTC)
Well, there IS that!
Friday, July 8th, 2005 11:44 pm (UTC)
I know, bitch, bitch, bitch. Someday we'll have time again!

Although now that I think about it. We are about to go through NRE aren't we. Haven't thought of it that way before....makes sense tho!
Friday, July 8th, 2005 11:54 pm (UTC)
In a way, yeah! Tho' some of the general tired-ness gets paid down ahead of time on this one. :)
Friday, July 8th, 2005 11:56 pm (UTC)
too true!
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC)
I will obtain that T-shirt for you. Please send size, colour and any special font requests for November readiness. One for David as well: "My boyfriend says my wife is queer". I'm picturing contrasting colours of course.

CJ: Bring that lovely smile anywhere. We'll just smile back.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 05:50 pm (UTC)
Aw, thank you! Extra big smiles to you next time I see you!!

Now I gotta think of the wording for a T-shirt of my own. Kate's doesn't work well 'cause Rob's straight.
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 07:49 pm (UTC)
"My husband's girlfriend says my boyfriend is queer"?
Wednesday, July 6th, 2005 08:11 pm (UTC)
"I'm queer, but my husband's girlfriend isn't"