Wednesday, January 29th, 2003 01:46 pm
What a pretty day outside! The completely gray sky of this morning has turned mostly-blue and sunny. This reminds me of something I'm not going to be able to procrastinate forever:

I am going to need a camping and backpacking buddy.

I am guessing he or she will be hard to find. The requirements list is long. My ideal camping buddy would be physically about as fit as I am, plus or minus a little; local; someone who actually enjoys the activity; someone who has time for it; a friend of mine, or someone who could become a friend; completely unattracted to me; not likely to quit when new lover or baby comes along; fairly self-sufficient and grown-up and ideally somewhat trail-wise.

In other words, most likely a straight married childfree friend of mine who likes camping and whose husband does not.

Somehow I don't think there are large numbers of these running around. I sure would like to find one though.
Wednesday, January 29th, 2003 02:22 pm (UTC)
I was once a wonderful camping and backpacking buddy. I wish I could still do it.

If I hear of someone you might like wistfully wishing for a camping and backpacking buddy, shall I hook you up?
Wednesday, January 29th, 2003 02:49 pm (UTC)
I wish you could, too. That must be frustrating and sad. :-(

Please, yes, that would be thoughtful and very much appreciated!
Wednesday, January 29th, 2003 06:08 pm (UTC)
Sounds sorta like [livejournal.com profile] joedecker's spouse...
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 12:49 am (UTC)
I was wonderin' in that direction myself.
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 05:06 am (UTC)
Ooo, me me me!! Oh wait, I think I fail a couple of those qualifications. Darn. I love camping & backpacking.
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 11:03 am (UTC)
Oh rats! I'd love to go with you! I think the long commute would be the roughest hurdle to overcome. Let's see, if we were to meet in the middle between me and thee, we'd be backpacking in, here's a total guess, the Atlantic waters somewhere south and east of Florida? ;-)
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 10:03 pm (UTC)
I had about the same reaction. I'm local, but time has not been very available for a while plus much to my annoyance I've developed some arthritis or something (feels like a pinched nerve) in my left big toe -- which pretty much has stopped my longer distance walks. *grumble*

I won't give up camping though. I try to go at least 1-2x every summer. I have since I was tiny. (Used to be 2-4 wks each summer then.) ...granite, alpine waters, lodgepole pine, white fir, few to no people around, wandering through the wilderness. I miss it. At least camping there still recharges my soul.

-- Shadopanther
Friday, January 31st, 2003 10:09 am (UTC)
I guess I don't count as local -- I'm in Egypt, Ceej is in California (though they DO both have palm trees....) and I also don't have any time. You know, since I moved here, people have been *so nice* that I now own half the city an invitation! No time to pay them back for their hospitality! :-P

I'm sorry to hear about your toe. I've had severe feet problems before -- you just don't realize how much you take basic mobility for granted until every step hurts. I hope it heals, though.
Friday, January 31st, 2003 08:41 pm (UTC)
I guess I don't count as local -- I'm in Egypt, Ceej is in California

Right, the first leg in a backpacking trip for you & CJ then would probably be by jet.

My urban home (as opposed to my camping "home") is at the southern tip of SF Bay, California. I've met CJ in person a while ago at a Tues night social here in the south bay. How long have you been in Egypt?

I'm sorry to hear about your toe.

Thank you for the sympathy.

I've had severe feet problems before -- you just don't realize how much you take basic mobility for granted until every step hurts. I hope it heals, though.

Exactly! I would not have guessed that a problem with the first joint in my big toe (counting from the foot proper) would cause so much trouble. I would not have thought that it would have a domino affect to cause my knees to be sore and increase the frequency of my back getting out of proper alignment. --- I hope it heals too. I'm not sure it will though. My podiatrist thinks it's the beginning of arthritis and that he can't heal it, he can only try to recommend what to do so it might not get any worse (ie: straight leg calf stretches to strengthen my arch and $500 orthotics).

-- Shadopanther
Saturday, February 1st, 2003 08:14 pm (UTC)
How long have you been in Egypt?
About six months. We'll stay here at least two years, probably four, and possibly more than that.

I would not have thought that it would have a domino affect to cause my knees to be sore and increase the frequency of my back getting out of proper alignment.

OOoooh yes. I remember. :-P Your feet hurt. So you walk funny 'cause it hurts every time you take a step. So it throws your balance off, and that hurts your knees, your back, and your whole body!! Bleh.

Yeah, orthopedic shoes, if they help, may be worth investing in. Darn that big toe! Too bad they don't know exactly what's going on there. (I've never heard of arthritis confined to a single to or finger, before!)
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003 12:16 am (UTC)
OOoooh yes. I remember. :-P Your feet hurt. So you walk funny 'cause it hurts every time you take a step. So it throws your balance off, and that hurts your knees, your back, and your whole body!! Bleh.

Exactly that! (Fwiw, it feels good to hear from someone who's been through it.) [I am tempted to ask how your feet are now & what originally happened -- but I think maybe I should email you on that instead of taking more space in CJ's journal. ...Unless of course, CJ is interested too. CJ, your preference?]

Too bad they don't know exactly what's going on there. (I've never heard of arthritis confined to a single to or finger, before!)

My podiatrist's first thought was that it was "just due to the way [my foot] is shaped". I disagreed. I never had any problem with it before April 2002. However, several (7?) years ago I did have a terrible bone bruise on that foot after I slipped off the wooden rolling desk chair I had been sitting cross-legged on. The chair back bars came right down on my foot, the rest of me came right down on top of the chair back bars. I suspect it is possible that the problem metatarsal may have been pushed out of alignment then but was not a problem until now (after very gradual bone spur growth -- that is even now, just the start of a spur at the toe joint end). It's arthritis in terms of being a joint imflamation... but I do not want to believe that there will be no way to fix this. (A shot of cortisone in the joint is not the answer in my case. It didn't help and was extremely painful.)

It is annoying how old injuries can come back to haunt a person. I figure I am fortunate that it is not worse than it is. (Even if it was one of the factors that canceled my summer 2002 backpacking plans with [livejournal.com profile] poetgrrl.)

-- Shadopanther
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003 09:55 am (UTC)
but I think maybe I should email you on that instead of taking more space in CJ's journal. ...Unless of course, CJ is interested too. CJ, your preference?

I'm enjoying reading. If mail is more convenient for you two, go for that, but don't leave this journal space because of me.

Bone alignment issues... hmm... how do you feel about chiropractors?
Friday, January 31st, 2003 10:49 am (UTC)
Ow, ow, ow. I have a pinched nerve under the bottom of each big toe, but fortunately for me, they don't act up often. [fingers crossed] Once I walked around for several weeks in thick-soled flip-flop sandals with a big hole cut out under my toe, so that my toe didn't have to touch ANYTHING...

Amazing how simple a thing as pain can stop us from doing so much. When I think about that, it's almost mind-boggling.

My limiting factor is my right knee. (ITB and beginnings of arthritis.) Hurts a fair bit on anything downhill. So far, I just kind of grit my teeth.

Where do you camp? Sierras? Sounds lovely!
Friday, January 31st, 2003 09:18 pm (UTC)
Ouch. My sympathies for your toes. Under your big toe, that would make it the 2nd big toe joint, right? My problem toe joint is the first one where the metatarsal of the foot meets the first big toe bone. My podiatrist has said something about arthritis, a bone spur, and the metatarsal being out of alignment.

Amazing how simple a thing as pain can stop us from doing so much.

Very true. Especially with strong sharp pains as opposed to mild dull ones.

Where do you camp? Sierras? Sounds lovely!

Yes, the Sierras and it IS lovely! It sings to my heart. :) I've grown up camping & backpacking around Silver Lake (http://www.kitcarsonlodge.com/img/reflect.jpg), Upper Blue Lake (http://www.virtualparks.org/scenes/Zw5fWUihiuu3Qz5J6JrXFdw.html), and the Mokelumne Wilderness / Eldorado National Forest (http://www.r5.fs.fed.us/eldorado/visitor/moke.htm) -- all are about one mountain south of Tahoe on a topographic map.
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Ouch. My sympathies for your toes. Under your big toe, that would make it the 2nd big toe joint, right? My problem toe joint is the first one where the metatarsal of the foot meets the first big toe bone. My podiatrist has said something about arthritis, a bone spur, and the metatarsal being out of alignment.

<i>Amazing how simple a thing as pain can stop us from doing so much.</i>

Very true. Especially with strong sharp pains as opposed to mild dull ones.

<i>Where do you camp? Sierras? Sounds lovely! </i>

Yes, the Sierras and it IS lovely! It sings to my heart. :) I've grown up camping & backpacking around <a href="http://www.kitcarsonlodge.com/img/reflect.jpg">Silver Lake</a>, <a href="http://www.virtualparks.org/scenes/Zw5fWUihiuu3Qz5J6JrXFdw.html">Upper Blue Lake</a>, and the <a href="http://www.r5.fs.fed.us/eldorado/visitor/moke.htm">Mokelumne Wilderness / Eldorado National Forest</a> -- all are about one mountain south of Tahoe on a topographic map. <a href="http://www.plasses-resort.com/images/Page1_lakescene1.jpg"?>Thunder Mt.</a> presides majestically over Silver Lake (in spite of <a href="http://www.kirkwood.com/index.shtml">Kirkwood</a> Ski Resort slopes being on the other side). [To see pics of Silver, Blue, and Mokelumne, follow the links. Blue's link has an added bonus: it is a VR panorama from the south shore. Ahhhh.... home! *smile*]

-- Shadopanther
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003 12:24 am (UTC)
My limiting factor is my right knee. (ITB and beginnings of arthritis.) Hurts a fair bit on anything downhill. So far, I just kind of grit my teeth.

I'm curious. If I may ask, what is ITB? Did you injure your knee or did something else cause the problem? [livejournal.com profile] jemstone has problems with his knees to (has since high school). Smooth steep inclines over a long period of time are his knees worst enemy.

Also, have you tried a hiking stick? I found when my toe was being really bad July 2002 that leaning on a sturdy stick some helped extend the range that I could bear walking. I didn't use it at SF Pride though -- there I managed to walk 1/3 of the distance, ride 1/3, and then bear with it for walking the last 1/3. In 2001, walking the whole thing had been a breeze.

Curiously,
-- Shadopanther
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003 10:10 am (UTC)
If I may ask, what is ITB?

Ilio-tibial band, the long piece of tendon connecting the hip/butt muscles to the knob of leg bone just below the knee on the "outside" side. Mine is way too tight. It rubs on intervening knobs of bone and gets inflamed. It also contributes to pulling the patella out of line, accelerating my development of arthritis behind the kneecap.

Did you injure your knee or did something else cause the problem?

I don't think I've ever had an injury to it. I'm ever so slightly knock-kneed (congenital, apparently, and more prevalent in women than in men), which I am told makes the problem worse.

I didn't realize this at the time, but even way back when I was in the Army, it caused me problems: my knees would hurt after I ran about three miles. Then just a couple years ago I did the Berry Creek Falls hike in Big Basin (~14mi) and the downhills caused sharp, ripping, stabbing pains in my right knee. That never got all the way better.

[livejournal.com profile] jemstone has problems with his knees to (has since high school). Smooth steep inclines over a long period of time are his knees worst enemy.

Mine too. Coming down off Half Dome, for example, was painful. I'm guessing the only reason my knees didn't collapse outright (they've done that once or twice) is the regimen of physical therapy, stretching, and targeted exercise I did as preparation for that hike.

Also, have you tried a hiking stick?

I probably should. Carried one up the Dome and then never used it. (Duh!) Picked up a sturdy branch on the way down from Yosemite Falls last weekend, and maybe it did help. I've had some bad experiences hiking with people who had sticks -- they've waved the sticks around and taken up a lot of room, tripping and poking unwary people ahead and behind -- but if it's what I need, I'll find a way to use one courteously.

In 2001, walking the whole thing had been a breeze.

Wow, sounds like it's gotten markedly more difficult in just the last year. And eavesdropping on your conversation with [livejournal.com profile] lkeele, I'm not sure I heard much hope for healing it. Have you tried the orthotics? If so, did they help? (I was supposed to get orthotics, too, said my physical therapist, but I haven't done it.)
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 09:06 am (UTC)
I guess 3000 miles away doesn't count as "local." :-P
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 11:08 am (UTC)
Ah, but far more local than [livejournal.com profile] lkeele one comment above! Midway between us, we could backpack in what, Lincoln, Nebraska? 8-)
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 11:45 am (UTC)
I think western Kansas is probably closer to the middle. Sounds like an extremely unexciting place to camp. *rueful grin*

Yes, I can see where getting together with [livejournal.com profile] ikeele for a weekend trip would be a bit of a problem. ;-) I'll have to check out her journal when I get back to the computer after my surgery ... when I went to see where she is I found she and I have several interests in common, including birds and Unitarian Universalism -- not to mention that she must have fascinating experiences living in Egypt! (Please feel free to introduce us if you'd like to :-)
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 02:11 pm (UTC)
Yes, except for the occasional dust-storm, Kansas doesn't seem like a thrill a minute for a backpacker.

Lisa is great! I hope you enjoy her journal.

I fervently hope the surgery goes well... :-/ fingers crossed for you.
Thursday, January 30th, 2003 10:47 pm (UTC)
Have you considered hiking, camping, or backpacking with the Sierra Club?
The Loma Prieta chapter: lomaprieta.sierraclub.org/ (http://lomaprieta.sierraclub.org/) is the closest one I know about. (My mother's been a member for years.) Information on Loma Prieta's backpacking and other activities are hiding under the Activity Sections (http://lomaprieta.sierraclub.org/sectionsmain.htm) link. If group hikes are not your style, you could just look at it as a way to meet potential camping & backpacking buddies. (just fyi: GLS now has inclusive language for bis.)

Or there's BiOutdoors: a mailing list for organizing outdoor activities for bi's and bi-friendly others, such as hiking, cycling, camping, etc. To subscribe, go to this url and click Join : groups.yahoo.com/group/BiOutdoors (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BiOutdoors) or send an email to BiOutdoors-subscribe@yahoogropus.com. (However, this weekend's hike, hosted by Raven, has been canceled due a serious leg infection.)

Anyway, good luck on your search for a camping & backpacking buddy.
-- Shadopanther
Friday, January 31st, 2003 10:42 am (UTC)
Thanks for the links! I'm on BiOutdoors and have taken the Loma Prieta chapter's "backpacking intro" course -- am strongly considering taking it again to meet other backpackers.
Friday, January 31st, 2003 01:56 pm (UTC)
I believe there are BA chapters of No Kidding!, a social organization for the childfree-by-choice. Might be another way to meet some suitable demographics.
Friday, January 31st, 2003 09:36 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the links!

You're welcome.

have taken the Loma Prieta chapter's "backpacking intro" course

How was it? I've never taken a "course" in backpacking. My first trip was with my mother and 2 younger brothers when I was 13 into the Mokelumne Wilderness (Summit City Canyon) for 2 weeks. I remember my brother B (11) and I both carried about 30lbs. The youngest, my brother D (8) carried 15lbs and my mother hefted 75-85lbs. Our progress was slow, but once we made basecamp -- we were free to wander more speedily on various day hikes. We went on a few other 2wk backpacking trips after that, one was during a dry year. Water is heavy.

-- Shadopanther

-- Shadopanther
Saturday, February 1st, 2003 09:49 am (UTC)
I expect that as an experienced backpacker, you would get little out of the "course". I took it because as an adult I had never backpacked in my life, unless you count Army treks, and I had a buddy who was more physically resilient AND more experienced than I, eager to go backpacking. I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to do something really dumb or injure myself. (I'd already injured myself once with this buddy -- too inexperienced to know my own limits -- and the condition has persisted to this day.)

The class discussed gear, wilderness courtesy/conservation, first aid, map reading, that sort of thing. The group went on three trips; as luck would have it I could only attend the first one. Still, it was a great place to find potential backpacking partners.

Yikes, those are big packs. I have so far stuck to thirty pounds myself. (I treat or boil water. Haven't gone anyplace completely dry. Have kept to short trips.) I'm afraid to try more; I'm a little gal with imperfect knees.
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003 12:53 am (UTC)
It sounds like the course was a good intro for you. Army treks could count, but as I am unfamiliar with them I'm not sure where the similarities and differences lay (other than the obvious stuff like weapons and MREs). Was the backpacking trip when you injured your knee?

The class discussed gear, wilderness courtesy/conservation, first aid, map reading,

All good topics. Some parts I'd probably feel I almost take for granted, but that's just due to absorbing it while growing up. I'm glad to see the knowledge spread. :)

Yikes, those are big packs. I have so far stuck to thirty pounds myself.

Yes, they were! ...Which is why we traveled so slowly, taking plenty of time to rest. We only traveled about 1/4 of what we'd hike unburdened the first day. The packs were as heavy as they were because we were 3 kids and 1 adult going into the wilderness for 2wks. Even with trying to make our food as light* as we could, weighing each oz., the food weight still added up. We treated or drank clear running stream** water that trip. The dry year we had to carry water because we couldn't be certain that there would be any to treat or boil once we reached our next camp site.

[* We brought mostly freeze dried foods. Our one weight related error was making and carrying pemmican. An old travel staple, it tasted good & we wrapped it good in foil 'till our cat wasn't interested in sniffing it -- but it would have been lighter to have taken an alternative.]

[** In the 1970s the water in Summit City Creek ran clear and pure. Not many people had gotten into the area... and we were just either lucky or blessed to not have any problem with giardia or other contaminants. We are less sure of the water supply now that the area has become more popular, so we bring a portable filter, just in case. I remember as a kid lying down on my stomach and drinking right from the stream in a pool of clear running water. Water straight from the snow pack further up hill.]

Have kept to short trips.) I'm afraid to try more; I'm a little gal with imperfect knees.

If you'd be interested and our toes, knees, schedules agree I would enjoy taking you on a short trip circa Silver or Blue Lake. I know of some terrain that isn't all that bad, and could be done in a weekend. I don't think I could promise more than 1-2 weekends/yr... but I would enjoy sharing what I know -- even if just to talk about it. :) [And psst, I'm not that "big" either. I'm 5'3". In an earlier journal entry, we talked about if you'd recognize me from the time we met at the Tuesday Coffee Social. I didn't get around to sending you a photo url then... but here's one now: I'm in the middle between [livejournal.com profile] mactavish and [livejournal.com profile] dryadgrl in this photo (http://www.alamedacreek.net/pics/maryrobinbriannaniceshirtspride2002-med.jpg) of [livejournal.com profile] mactavish's from SF Pride 2002.]

In any case, don't push too hard, take time to soak in the scenery, and enjoy!
-- Shadopanther
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003 10:26 am (UTC)
[big packs] ...Which is why we traveled so slowly, taking plenty of time to rest.

Makes sense. Perhaps it would be very possible for me to carry a heavier pack, too, if the distances were correspondingly shorter. I have just been too chicken to try :-)

If you'd be interested and our toes, knees, schedules agree I would enjoy taking you on a short trip circa Silver or Blue Lake.

Ooo, I think I'd really enjoy that! They both sound beautiful.

I know of some terrain that isn't all that bad, and could be done in a weekend. I don't think I could promise more than 1-2 weekends/yr... but I would enjoy sharing what I know -- even if just to talk about it. :)

A weekend is all I've ever done, although I'd be open to trying longer ones if (as you so eloquently put it) toes, knees, and schedules agree. And talking about it is half the fun, I think! Well, okay, a third of the fun. :-)

And psst, I'm not that "big" either. I'm 5'3".

I just tend to think of myself as teeny... at 5'4" I know I'm not, really, but I've got it stuck in my mind. Out of curiosity, is your mom (Ms 85 Pound Pack Hauler) any bigger? I'm trying to picture an 85 lb pack on my mom, who's five foot spit, and the image is almost funny.

photo

Thanks! I didn't recognize you until I saw the photo, and (equally important) the names in its title. I have such a time making the mental connection between a face-to-face name and a LJ name! And hey, yeah, nice shirts. :-)