Friday, January 10th, 2003 06:21 pm
With no cash income, I am musing more strongly lately on the idea of trading goods and services for other goods and services directly, with no actual dollars involved.

If I have A and want B, while you want A and have C, we need to find a third party. Is that really sufficiently daunting that few trades are done? Or do people have enough varied wants that a bargain can usually be struck?

When does the government get a cut? If I trade my red pencil for your blue one, the IRS probably doesn't give a hoot, even if we're both happier that the deal was made. But if I'm trading a month's labor for, oh, I don't know, a motorcycle, they might care. Where's the line?

What do I have that I'm willing to trade AND that is in demand? I am great at plunging into big hairy organization-and-cleanup tasks, like sorting old photos, and breaking the problem down into manageable chunks. It takes time, but it gets done and done well. What else? I will catch a spelling error in just about anything, but computers can do that too. What else? Must ponder.
Friday, January 10th, 2003 06:37 pm (UTC)
Errand running? I've often joked I need a "wife" to take care of stuff like that - letting pets out, picking up dry cleaning, packages, etc.

It's a thought...
Friday, January 10th, 2003 07:12 pm (UTC)
Errand running? I've often joked I need a "wife" to take care of stuff like that - letting pets out, picking up dry cleaning, packages, etc.

I think I've read descriptions of something like that. The title that they used was "Personal Assistant".

-- Shadopanther
Friday, January 10th, 2003 07:38 pm (UTC)
What you want is a barter club (http://www.mndaily.com/daily/1998/04/29/news/barter/). Someone at my church tried to form one there a couple of years ago, but she made some mistakes so it never took off. But there are successful community barter exchanges all over the country, such as this one in British Columbia (http://www.sfu.ca/cedc/gateway/sharing/chap8.htm) or this one in Reston, Va (http://use.restonweb.com/). The Twin Cities have five (http://www.thegreenguide.org/goods/barter_print.php), and there are websites like Time Dollars (http://www.timedollar.org/) with complete information on how to set a barter club up.

What happened with the one at church is that the woman who wanted to start it got lots of people to sign up and made a handsome directory -- and that's all. She had no way to keep track of exchanges. She thought once she'd published the directory she could step back and it would fly on its own. But she didn't want any help or advice from anyone, either -- she wanted it to be her project, so when she gave up, it just died. I really wish it had worked, I think it's a great idea, and I hope you can either find a club or start one in your community!
Friday, January 10th, 2003 08:17 pm (UTC)
Here are some:
http://members.aol.com/ALinNOLA/otherprograms.html
http://www.progress.org/archive/currency.htm
Friday, January 10th, 2003 08:04 pm (UTC)
http://home3.americanexpress.com/smallbusiness/resources/articles/barter_seller_watch.shtml -- I think by "barter service," they mean the local exchanges that allow folks to exchange services for credit for other services within the network. It's barter, in a way, but the IRS sees the credits as currency. I'm not sure how I'd declare it if you, say, washed my car in exchange for my baking you some bread. I know that if I exchange my professional services, including copyediting, for something like car work or clothing, I'm supposed to declare the value of what I receive as income.
Sunday, January 12th, 2003 04:26 pm (UTC)
There IS an organization like that already in the Bay Area. It's called BREAD (http://www.breadhours.org/index.htm).

And the short answer to when does the government get a cut is ALWAYS. As you say, we all get away with trading the red pencil for the blue one, but pretty much, if the government knows about it, they get a cut. If you essentially start an organizing business, but don't give them a cut, and they eventually find out, they will extract that cut and then some. But the key is whether or not they are finding out about it.

And according to the BREAD website:

"Use schedule C or Schedule C-EZ of Form 1040 to report Barter Income. You can use a generic
invoice to keep track of your trades. Examples of bartering and information on how to report the income are described in IRS Publication 525 Table and Nontaxable Income."
Monday, January 13th, 2003 01:48 pm (UTC)
Hey, CJ-
I didn't know you were w/o a job. Lucky you; enjoy it while it lasts. How about doing charter flights for people or being a plane taxi. Ok, I know there are probably some loopholes, regulations one has to get through to utilize a plane for such stuff, but just a silly thought.