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cjsmith ([personal profile] cjsmith) wrote2005-03-28 04:47 pm

Car mysteries

1. When my PCV valve got replaced, my engine began developing power a bit better right off the line (low speeds and heavy acceleration) but the battery/alternator warning light began to flicker.* There is a wormhole in the space-time continuum linking the PCV valve and the alternator in my car. Scientists believe this previously unsuspected phenomenon may hold the key to interstellar travel.

2. All that red stuff pooling on anything under the hood. My transmission fluid level is correct, despite the fact that it had been months since I'd checked it. However, there is unquestionably a large amount of transmission fluid all over my engine and the floor of my garage. Evidently my car is producing new transmission fluid in its bone marrow. I had to fight off a leukemia researcher who was trying to steal it this morning.


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* Yes folks, looks like my car is eating another alternator. If this follows the usual pattern, the problem won't be bad enough that the mechanic can detect it until at least autumn. It'll be the voltage regulator again -- it usually is.

[identity profile] quasigeostrophy.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Tell your car that alternators aren't part of its diet.

[identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
But it needs all that iron to produce new blood transmission fluid!

[identity profile] datagoddess.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
Check your power steering fluid. It's the same stuff as transmission fluid.

[identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
It's fine. I had mechanics looking for the leak, and they couldn't find one, so they told me it was "probably a slow leak". We'll see.

[identity profile] allanh.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
CJ,

If you'll directly email me the above entry, plus a few other sordid details (make/model/year/mileage of the car), I'll submit the information to The Auto Seer (my husband Randy), and let you know what he says.

Randy is a professional motorhead specializing in predictive failure of automotive systems, and it's not exaggerating much to say his diagnostic accuracy and precision is exceeded on a regular basis only by NPR's "Click & Clack".

[identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Awesome. What I'd love to have him diagnose is not the fluid leak (when that gets worse it'll be visible and I'll have it fixed then) but some weird power problems it's had for ages now. I'm about to leave work so I can get to an evening commitment on time, but later on (tomorrow?) I'll write that up and fire it off.

If you promise he won't laugh, that is. The thing is now SIXTEEN years old.
(1989 Toyota Corolla. I'll put that in the mail too.)

[identity profile] just-cyd.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
that you still own, operate, and continue to repair a sixteen year old ANYthing mechanical scores bonus points off the bat.

you get points for both technical merit (knowing the proper names) and creativity/humor, too. well, all except for that Hungarian judge. hardend old such-and-such. they never give an inch.

[identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, well the Hungarian judge sells new cars on the side. He's biased. :)

[identity profile] harpwolf.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like you want streetability, i.e. a responsive engine. Your car has a carburetor, right? In my opinion you'll never get that with a carbureted car.

A brief history of engine controls is called for:

Evolution-wise, the 80's were the last hurrah of the carburetor, as they collapsed under the weight of more and more smog controls, with which they were inextricably entangled. Problems show up as streetability issues, and they are very difficult to troubleshoot. Fact is many things can be wrong at once on a 16+ year old car. That was true on an '82 I rebuilt in '97. I fixed them all and streetability still was not good.

By 1989 most cars had basic fuel injection systems that spanked carburetors, but could still have streetability issues. A sensor could fail and they wouldn't necessarily know it. Computer: 8080.

Into the 1990's Moore's Law made computers smarter and smarter. By the mid 1990s, I think cars had the streetability you crave (and are able to keep it.) Computer: 80286.

1996 was a revolution. OBD II became law. Mandated failed sensor detection and very good diagnostics: "Intermittent misfire on cylinder 3; during coldstart/warmup; mornings only". Streetability problems - gone. If you maintain your car, the "Check Engine" light is your friend :) If you don't, it's a nag and an annoying one - you must fix it to pass smog.


So. Your car is carbureted, so keeping it streetable is going to be a tough battle. Check every sensor. Dollars to donuts some are bad. Replace them now before the dealers stop being able to get parts for cars that old. I also suggest replacing each vacuum hose with new, as those often degrade subtly.

But me, I got out of the carburetor game. I drive a 1995 Kia (Ford) Aspire whose streetability is perfect. I'll NEVER go back!

[identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Responsive would be nice, but it's got worse problems than being slow when I twist its tail. Sadly, it's one of the last cars made that doesn't have some other annoying features inside the cabin. I'd like to keep it if I can.

[identity profile] harpwolf.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah. Technically speaking there's several ways to do that.

One way is fix as much as possible. Typically several things are marginal or bad, so fixing everything possible makes the one remainder much easier to identify. Get a Toyota or Haynes shop manual that shows all the underhood gadgetry for that particular model year. Identify every underhood gadget like EGR, thermal vacuum valves etc. and improvise a way to positively test each one. Most gadgets are vacuum operated. I recommend a small hand vacuum pump, and a DVM. Actuators should actuate, sensors should do something different when their state changes. Nothing should leak vacuum. Be ruthless, when in doubt replace. Buy only from the dealer, as Kragen etc. will happily sell you the wrong, miscalibrated part. Vacuum line is cheap so I recommend swapping all of it. I found 3 ruptures in vacuum lines on my '82.

Another way is replace it. Your year is right on the cusp of fuel injection for Corollas, so other 1989-1992 Corollas may have the features you like and be fuel injected.

Then there's the kit airplane (http://www.armory.com/~greymage/resume/lt1.html) method, but I'll speak more highly of that after I finish mine :-)

[identity profile] cjsmith.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
The "kit airplane" method looks mighty nice to me, but then I know so little about what's involved that I am a very poor judge. I see the benefits and can't correctly estimate the costs. :-)

I'd love to become more knowledgeable, though, and puttering about with things on a car that still has user-serviceable parts does sound enjoyable. I already have the service manual for my make/model/yr. What vacuum pump would you recommend? I'd be cool with getting one and frobbing with things until I gain enough clue to see how difficult the problem is.

[identity profile] harpwolf.livejournal.com 2005-04-11 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
On crazy projects like mine, nobody else can correctly estimate the costs either :) A lot of them never get finished.

Yeah, cars are a lot of fun :) More fun is not paying $250 repair bills :)

The hand vacuum pump I'm referring to is like on a cupping set, where you can finesse how much vacuum you want... now add a gauge and a nipple for attaching ordinary vacuum hose. Kinda like this (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=92474) but ignore all the stuff about brakes.

[identity profile] genderfur.livejournal.com 2005-03-31 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
A whole car in the mail? That'll need extra postage, surely?